Summer Time

[Paul H (admin)]

Well chaps - sunrise was 6:47am this morning. If the clocks were brought forward sunrise at 7:47am would be about 20 minutes earlier than the end of December, plus the sun rises much quicker than December. Also I get up about 7.30 to I'm losing out on precious daylight which would be far more useful at the end of the day.

In late October when we shift the clocks the wrong way sunrise is 7:55am, so this weekend would  balance clock shifting either side of Winter Solstice. Talk to your local Druid for confirmation.


So we could put the clocks forward this weekend, it would be lighter than December and we would have an extra 3 weeks of 1 hour extra light in the evenings.


Over to Chris who will tell you some scary stories about cabin fever!

-Paul

PS Times are for London, I checked Glasgow and the change is far better than December - Mr Salmond can pick his own time zone.

[Anders]

Summertime, wintertime, whatever time are all political decissions. Where I am, I think I´m more or less at the same longitude as Dublin, but we are in the same time zone as Berlin which is 12 - 1400km to the east. If had we had summertime earlier, the locals here (Spanish) would never get up in the morning.
We should have the same time zone as England and Portugal.

[Chris Waite]

Interesting you should bring this up Paulie

I wrote to my MP in Parliament; (well he lives two doors away), pointing out the sheer idiocy of the system.  Infact the lucky man got five letters on the subject, starting last September - an introduction, the extent of the problem and reminders every time one of the parameters (Sunrise-Daylight-Sunset) passed that caused us to dive into the murk.  Here is the second one, written on 30th October last year:



"TIME FLIES

Thank you for your reply dated 18 October, regarding GMT and BST; I think you may have missed my point.  Most in the South simply find it an extra burden, though I appreciate the Scots mostly prefer the change.  

We revert to GMT TODAY  and the days get shorter for 52 days until the solstice.

Sunset today is due at 16.38; this recurs on 26 January 36 days after the solstice.

Daylight today is 9 hrs 48 m; this recurs on 12 February 53 days after the solstice.

Sunrise today was at 06.50; this recurs on 28 February  69 days after the solstice.
   
BST recommences ONLY on 24 March 2012, a total of  94 days after the solstice.

42 extra dark evenings (nearly A MONTH AND A HALF) longer than autumn.

Why?

These sorts of figures apply within a few days every year and the law is meant to be about ‘saving daylight’ – that is simply “having a life in the evening” to most of us; five thirty pm this first day of winter and it’s pitch black.

Is this saving energy?

Feel free to check my suspect maths,
but this seems to be mindless bureaucracy supervening planetary motion

Any chance you might point this out to the committee concerned with BST?

Because it’s nonsense...."



Well isn't it?

CW

[Paul H (admin)]

Chris,

The USA Daylight Saving Time starts next week 11th March until 4th November - 3 weeks longer than the UK 25th March to 28th October.

Bad journalism focuses on the impossible "summer time all year" argument that will never get resolved and attracts attention away from the perfect compromise. The fine detail of wasting 3 weeks or so gets ignored, perhaps few people understand the imbalance in the UK times or even fewer know the Americans shaved 4 weeks of their DST to save electricity in the lighter evenings (one hour less electric lights each day).

Writing to an MP is good, but I doubt the mathematics of the argument are understood. Perhaps we should start a campaign using simple pictures that clearly show the unnecessary waste of 3 weeks?

Unfortunately it appears to be EU law to start summer time the last Sunday in March, but I'm sure right wing MPs would love the chance to give 2 fingers to EU law and set the UK time to what suits us (2nd Sunday in March?)

http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/eu.html

I think we have to develop an idea that is simple for the man in the street to understand, and build up public interest.

-Paul

On 5 March 2012 10:10, Chris Waite [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Interesting you should bring this up Paulie

I wrote to my MP in Parliament; (well he lives two doors away), pointing out the sheer idiocy of the system.  Infact the lucky man got five letters on the subject, starting last September - an introduction, the extent of the problem and reminders every time one of the parameters (Sunrise-Daylight-Sunset) passed that caused us to dive into the murk.  Here is the second one, written on 30th October last year:



"TIME FLIES

Thank you for your reply dated 18 October, regarding GMT and BST; I think you may have missed my point.  Most in the South simply find it an extra burden, though I appreciate the Scots mostly prefer the change.  

We revert to GMT TODAY  and the days get shorter for 52 days until the solstice.

Sunset today is due at 16.38; this recurs on 26 January 36 days after the solstice.

Daylight today is 9 hrs 48 m; this recurs on 12 February 53 days after the solstice.

Sunrise today was at 06.50; this recurs on 28 February  69 days after the solstice.
   
BST recommences ONLY on 24 March 2012, a total of  94 days after the solstice.

42 extra dark evenings (nearly A MONTH AND A HALF) longer than autumn.

Why?

These sorts of figures apply within a few days every year and the law is meant to be about ‘saving daylight’ – that is simply “having a life in the evening” to most of us; five thirty pm this first day of winter and it’s pitch black.

Is this saving energy?

Feel free to check my suspect maths,
but this seems to be mindless bureaucracy supervening planetary motion

Any chance you might point this out to the committee concerned with BST?

Because it’s nonsense...."



Well isn't it?

CW

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[Timmo]

I'm the simple man in the street! Keep explaining. It's starting to make sense.

Tim

[Paul H (admin)]

Tim,

Look at the picture - can you see that summer time is unbalanced between spring and autumn?

Starting BST earlier in March makes the daylight more balanced - and we get another 2 or 3 weeks of lighter evenings for free. Simples!



-Paul

[Timmo]

That makes sense! Picture is worth a lot of words.

Thanks Paul.

Tim.

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Tim,

Look at the picture - can you see that summer time is unbalanced between spring and autumn?

Starting BST earlier in March makes the daylight more balanced - and we get another 2 or 3 weeks of lighter evenings for free. Simples!



-Paul

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