syntac resin

[Port-Na-Storm]

Hi Guys.

 I agree with Tim, we should heed what Pete has said and steer well clear of any conspicuous product endorsement.  As an ex Product Manager I know how much I'd relish getting one of my products promoted by you guys and how much I'd be cheesed off if someone else did.

I'm already concerned about how other clubs like DCA, who have paid for their stands, will feel. The boat building community is small and friendly I don't want to go upsetting people.

It sounds as if there will be quite a few of us with boats in ABBA, there will also be the Thames Raid boats congregating over the weekend, so we'll have quite a lot to show people.  

A few photos and the banners Pete has already organised should be enough to catch people's attention.
People who have worked on trade stands at exhibitions will tell you the real problem is getting rid of people.

Just a reminder that the original concept behind HBBR was for builders to meet at rallies so perhaps some photos of our various get-togethers as well as some build photos would be an idea.

There are loads of photos over on the old site and I'm happy to supply any I have.

Cheers
Graham    


   

   

[LASER41420]

Ok but what are we going to have on the stand demonstration wise?

Steve

From: Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
To: LASER41420 <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2011, 19:26
Subject: Re: syntac resin

You're right, there aren't many, but there may be enough to be worth leaving it to them.

Espar

Flints Marine

Lindon Lewis Marine

Melco Bonding Supplies

Robbins Timber

All supply chandlery, adhesives or epoxies. 

Don't want to create any problems for Watercraft, they need the advertising revenue as well as goodwill at the event. Lets just go with Pete's steer on this, especially as the HBBR stand is effectively a guest of Watercraft.

Tim

From: "LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: syntac resin

Hi,

just had a look through the list of exhibitors on the show website, hard to spot any general purpose chandlery shops or specific epoxy suppliers. 

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[Ed-2]

Good morning chaps...

... and many thanks for your understanding of the sensitive world of marine trade politics. 

If you want to source display material of different adhesives etc which are also paying to be represented in their own right at the show, there could be no issues with it... Trouble is, much of the trade always leaves booking their stands at the show until the last minute. As of now, I know Robbins will be there promoting WEST and Melco who used to do Balcotan will have Collano their new poly... Not booked so far but other likely/possible exhibitors are Chinawind with MAS epoxy and Marineware who do SP and (sometimes) International's Epiglass. 

Now, since the real point of royal weddings is to give a grateful populace a bonus boatbuilding day, I'm off back to the Chebacco.

Thanks again

Pete

On 28 Apr 2011, at 21:04, LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum] wrote:

Ok but what are we going to have on the stand demonstration wise?

Steve

From: Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
To: LASER41420 <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2011, 19:26
Subject: Re: syntac resin

You're right, there aren't many, but there may be enough to be worth leaving it to them.

Espar

Flints Marine

Lindon Lewis Marine

Melco Bonding Supplies

Robbins Timber

All supply chandlery, adhesives or epoxies. 

Don't want to create any problems for Watercraft, they need the advertising revenue as well as goodwill at the event. Lets just go with Pete's steer on this, especially as the HBBR stand is effectively a guest of Watercraft.

Tim

From: "LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: syntac resin

Hi,

just had a look through the list of exhibitors on the show website, hard to spot any general purpose chandlery shops or specific epoxy suppliers. 

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[LASER41420]

Ok, I had already emailed the epoxy companies anyway so lets see if they want to get involved, had not thought of Melco though!

Steve

From: ed[via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
To: LASER41420 <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2011, 10:20
Subject: Re: syntac resin

Good morning chaps...

... and many thanks for your understanding of the sensitive world of marine trade politics. 

If you want to source display material of different adhesives etc which are also paying to be represented in their own right at the show, there could be no issues with it... Trouble is, much of the trade always leaves booking their stands at the show until the last minute. As of now, I know Robbins will be there promoting WEST and Melco who used to do Balcotan will have Collano their new poly... Not booked so far but other likely/possible exhibitors are Chinawind with MAS epoxy and Marineware who do SP and (sometimes) International's Epiglass. 

Now, since the real point of royal weddings is to give a grateful populace a bonus boatbuilding day, I'm off back to the Chebacco.

Thanks again

Pete

On 28 Apr 2011, at 21:04, LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum] wrote:

Ok but what are we going to have on the stand demonstration wise?

Steve

From: Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
To: LASER41420 <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2011, 19:26
Subject: Re: syntac resin

You're right, there aren't many, but there may be enough to be worth leaving it to them.

Espar

Flints Marine

Lindon Lewis Marine

Melco Bonding Supplies

Robbins Timber

All supply chandlery, adhesives or epoxies. 

Don't want to create any problems for Watercraft, they need the advertising revenue as well as goodwill at the event. Lets just go with Pete's steer on this, especially as the HBBR stand is effectively a guest of Watercraft.

Tim

From: "LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: syntac resin

Hi,

just had a look through the list of exhibitors on the show website, hard to spot any general purpose chandlery shops or specific epoxy suppliers. 

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[melidman]

What a can of worms I only asked if anyone had used Synacryl paint lol

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From: LASER41420[via UK HBBR Forum]
Sent: 29 April 2011 11:03 AM
To: melidman
Subject: Re: syntac resin

Ok, I had already emailed the epoxy companies anyway so lets see if they want to get involved, had not thought of Melco though!

Steve

From: ed[via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
To: LASER41420 <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, 29 April 2011, 10:20
Subject: Re: syntac resin

Good morning chaps...

... and many thanks for your understanding of the sensitive world of marine trade politics. 

If you want to source display material of different adhesives etc which are also paying to be represented in their own right at the show, there could be no issues with it... Trouble is, much of the trade always leaves booking their stands at the show until the last minute. As of now, I know Robbins will be there promoting WEST and Melco who used to do Balcotan will have Collano their new poly... Not booked so far but other likely/possible exhibitors are Chinawind with MAS epoxy and Marineware who do SP and (sometimes) International's Epiglass. 

Now, since the real point of royal weddings is to give a grateful populace a bonus boatbuilding day, I'm off back to the Chebacco.

Thanks again

Pete

On 28 Apr 2011, at 21:04, LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum] wrote:

Ok but what are we going to have on the stand demonstration wise?

Steve

From: Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
To: LASER41420 <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, 28 April 2011, 19:26
Subject: Re: syntac resin

You're right, there aren't many, but there may be enough to be worth leaving it to them.

Espar

Flints Marine

Lindon Lewis Marine

Melco Bonding Supplies

Robbins Timber

All supply chandlery, adhesives or epoxies. 

Don't want to create any problems for Watercraft, they need the advertising revenue as well as goodwill at the event. Lets just go with Pete's steer on this, especially as the HBBR stand is effectively a guest of Watercraft.

Tim

From: "LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum]" <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: syntac resin

Hi,

just had a look through the list of exhibitors on the show website, hard to spot any general purpose chandlery shops or specific epoxy suppliers. 

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[LASER41420]

Hi All,

off to Greece sailing and cycling tomorrow so here is a quick progress report before I go

1, SP no reply so far (anyone else have contacts here?).
2, Chinawind no reply so far (or here?).
3, West + Robbins timber, offer of whatever materials + technical information we need for our stall.
4, Offer of product samples etc to distribute to UKHBBR members plus offer of a UKHBBR "Club" discount on future purchases. These will be sent to me, so I will bring them with me when I come to the show (on saturday?).

I left things with West/Robbins that I would find out what we would like for the stall and get back to them in a fortnight. So to everybody that has agreed to help out during the show, what do we need????

Steve

[Timmo]

Sorry to use this thread for unrelated news but I'm in holland and not hooked to nabble properly. 

We (Richard Rooth, Kathy Mansfield and I) were en route to Netherlands Oughtred Rally towing Richard's Elf "Inwe" when a big truck rammed us from behind. Result is that Inwe has been destroyed. A very sad day!

Thought you'd like to know. 

Tim O'Connor 

NTS Developing People 

Web: www.nts-group.com

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 May 2011, at 20:10, "LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi All,

off to Greece sailing and cycling tomorrow so here is a quick progress report before I go

1, SP no reply so far (anyone else have contacts here?).
2, Chinawind no reply so far (or here?).
3, West + Robbins timber, offer of whatever materials + technical information we need for our stall.
4, Offer of product samples etc to distribute to UKHBBR members plus offer of a UKHBBR "Club" discount on future purchases. These will be sent to me, so I will bring them with me when I come to the show (on saturday?).

I left things with West/Robbins that I would find out what we would like for the stall and get back to them in a fortnight. So to everybody that has agreed to help out during the show, what do we need????

Steve

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[Chris Partridge]

Horrible!
I hope you were all OK.
Such a lovely boat.
Chris

[gmatkin]

Oh no - I'm so sorry to hear this. Hopefully there are no injuries to people and you'll each get over you initial shock in a day or two...

Gavin

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From: Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: syntac resin
To: "gmatkin" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, 6 May, 2011, 21:21

Sorry to use this thread for unrelated news but I'm in holland and not hooked to nabble properly. 

We (Richard Rooth, Kathy Mansfield and I) were en route to Netherlands Oughtred Rally towing Richard's Elf "Inwe" when a big truck rammed us from behind. Result is that Inwe has been destroyed. A very sad day!

Thought you'd like to know. 

Tim O'Connor 

NTS Developing People 

Web: www.nts-group.com

Sent from my iPhone

On 6 May 2011, at 20:10, "LASER41420 [via UK HBBR Forum]" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi All,

off to Greece sailing and cycling tomorrow so here is a quick progress report before I go

1, SP no reply so far (anyone else have contacts here?).
2, Chinawind no reply so far (or here?).
3, West + Robbins timber, offer of whatever materials + technical information we need for our stall.
4, Offer of product samples etc to distribute to UKHBBR members plus offer of a UKHBBR "Club" discount on future purchases. These will be sent to me, so I will bring them with me when I come to the show (on saturday?).

I left things with West/Robbins that I would find out what we would like for the stall and get back to them in a fortnight. So to everybody that has agreed to help out during the show, what do we need????

Steve

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[BrianP]

I had the great pleasure of sailing Inwe with Richard at a Cotswold meet, so the news she is destroyed is very sad indeed. If her rig and foils survived perhaps the HBBR gang could build a new hull at the Beale show from a kit by Alec?

Brian

[Jeremy]

Sad news indeed, but better a broken boat than a car load of broken people..............

The idea of building a new hull as a demo sounds good, but it'd probably a bit of a tall order to do in three days, I think.  Still, the basic stitch and glue bit shouldn't take long, and getting a hull from a bunch of flat bits of wood in just a few hours would make for a good spectacle for visitors.

Jeremy

[LASER41420]

Hi,

great idea but a big job!, if you can send me a list of materials I could ask West/Robbins if they would like to help

Steve

(from Greece)

From: BrianP [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
To: LASER41420 <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, 7 May 2011, 9:14
Subject: Re: syntac resin

I had the great pleasure of sailing Inwe with Richard at a Cotswold meet, so the news she is destroyed is very sad indeed. If her rig and foils survived perhaps the HBBR gang could build a new hull at the Beale show from a kit by Alec?

Brian

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[Timmo]

Richard appreciates the offers to attempt a hull build at Beale but we have been discussing ideas for a slightly stretched Elf with Iain Oughtred  so it will work out better if the replacement hull is a longer term project. Will also fit with the insurance claim timescale better. Once design is sorted the plan will be to use a Jordan kit. Main issue Richard will have us finding a workshop space.

Tim O'Connor
NTS Developing People
Web: www.nts-group.com

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[Paul H (admin)]

It might be good to have a few sketches of the stretched Elf in the HBBR tent at Beale for discussion. As boat builders we take it for granted that we can change dimensions and add or remove items - that aspect might interest the public who have been spoon fed with production designs and have always yearned for something different.

-Paul

On 9 May 2011 09:12, Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Richard appreciates the offers to attempt a hull build at Beale but we have been discussing ideas for a slightly stretched Elf with Iain Oughtred  so it will work out better if the replacement hull is a longer term project. Will also fit with the insurance claim timescale better. Once design is sorted the plan will be to use a Jordan kit. Main issue Richard will have us finding a workshop space.

Tim O'Connor
NTS Developing People
Web: www.nts-group.com

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[gmatkin]

In my observation, some of you do, fewer don't.

It can be quite challenging to be on the other end of discussions about these things, particularly deciding when you think the builder's idea is workable, and when it's necessary to be diplomatic and persuasive as required...

Gav

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From: adminHBBR [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: syntac resin
To: "gmatkin" <[hidden email]>
Date: Monday, 9 May, 2011, 16:08

It might be good to have a few sketches of the stretched Elf in the HBBR tent at Beale for discussion. As boat builders we take it for granted that we can change dimensions and add or remove items - that aspect might interest the public who have been spoon fed with production designs and have always yearned for something different.

-Paul

On 9 May 2011 09:12, Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Richard appreciates the offers to attempt a hull build at Beale but we have been discussing ideas for a slightly stretched Elf with Iain Oughtred  so it will work out better if the replacement hull is a longer term project. Will also fit with the insurance claim timescale better. Once design is sorted the plan will be to use a Jordan kit. Main issue Richard will have us finding a workshop space.

Tim O'Connor
NTS Developing People
Web: www.nts-group.com

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[Timmo]

Not at the sketch stage yet. Though it was interesting discussing it. Seems 10% is the stretch you can generally achieve simply by adding the length midships without changing the lines or rig, etc. in any way. More stretch means getting complicated and redrawing the lines! 

Tim.

From: "adminHBBR [via UK HBBR Forum]" <[hidden email]>

It might be good to have a few sketches of the stretched Elf in the HBBR tent at Beale for discussion. 

[gmatkin]

They say you can make any given boat better by stretching it by 10 per cent. Looking at my own I don't doubt it - they almost always have more curve in their lines than I want because of the need to get a certain amount of displacement into their length.

It's much easier to draw a good 12ft boat for two ten year olds than two adults. At 13.5ft, however, you have more on your side...

Gavin

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From: Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: syntac resin
To: "gmatkin" <[hidden email]>
Date: Wednesday, 11 May, 2011, 19:54

Not at the sketch stage yet. Though it was interesting discussing it. Seems 10% is the stretch you can generally achieve simply by adding the length midships without changing the lines or rig, etc. in any way. More stretch means getting complicated and redrawing the lines! 

Tim.

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It might be good to have a few sketches of the stretched Elf in the HBBR tent at Beale for discussion. 

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[BrianP]

In Iain Oughtred's book it lists Elf at 15', then a stretched version called Elfyn at 16'6", which is also available as for traditional construction as athe Galloway faering. The most recent is the 18' Sula which is a Shetland Yole.  Brian

[Chris Waite]

I'm very interested to know why Richard wants to stretch the Faering and this is just interest.  Fifteen foot seems a very satisfactory length, especially for predominantly singlehanded use and planks can be made with only one joint if using ply; any longer will require a second.

I am trying to reduce size and weight to something I can cope with on the shore as I atrophy -

Atrophy?  Well 'shrivel' then

Cee Dubbaya

[Timmo]

It's not a definite thing yet but it's partly psychological. 

He wants to reuse the spars, centre board, rudder, sails etc. (In fact he had a new foresail made and waiting for him when we got to Uitgeest!) They were all undamaged, so it's unlikely he will get an insurance pay out that would compensate him enough to create a new set for another design of boat. So another Elf makes lots of sense. 

But, just ending up back where he started after the trauma of the accident didn't seem as attractive as somehow 'moving on' and that's where the discussion about the stretch started. Another Elf, but different. 

Since he plans on getting the planks cut for him, including the scarphs, the extra joint isn't a big issue. 

Still, nothing's final. Richard's home again and has time to ponder his options while the insurance claim process grinds to some conclusion.

We can all wait and see what he comes up with!

Tim.

From: "Chris Waite [via UK HBBR Forum]" <[hidden email]

I'm very interested to know why Richard wants to stretch the Faering and this is just interest.  Fifteen foot seems a very satisfactory length, especially for predominantly singlehanded use and planks can be made with only one joint if using ply; any longer will require a second.

Cee Dubbaya