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Sun rise this morning was 6:38am and by 6:45am it was bright....so we could put the clocks forward this weekend the 11th (sunrise 6:25) and it would still be lighter than January.
The Americans do just that and not only switch to DST (BST to us) earlier in March (this weekend 11th) but also switch back later than us in the first week in November. They get one extra month of lighter evenings than us and we could do exactly the same. Also on the days they switch earlier to DST they save about 1% of national electricity because lights are turned on one hour later at home. They changed DST hours in 2005 as part of an energy bill signed by George Bush. So we could enjoy one month of an extra hour building/sailing/rowing in the evening by switching to BST sooner/later. I've always thought since a kid that we change the clocks at the wrong time..I wonder if we could persuade the BST all year nutters to adopt this more pragmatic change. -Paul |
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Although I'm on the roughly same longitude as Ramsgate, I live in France, so I'm already an hour ahead of you.
Earlier sunrises and sunsets make virtually no difference at all to the way we, and everybody else in France, lives. Patrick |
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In reply to this post by Paul H (admin)
Ah Paulie!
One of my favourite peeves, you have struck upon. The Clocks go back to GMT late in October - late October to late November is one month and to late December when the Solstice occurs; TWO months. Then we wait one month until late January and a second month until late February; THEN finally the clocks go forward again at the end of March THREE months, by which time everyone has SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) and is bad and dangerous. I have tried looking this up on line; cyberspace doesn't understand what I am talking about. I have tried our local reference library who took a number of days to tell me that the one is not related to the other.... TOSH. I have also tried contacting the government department involved in timekeeping which might have been at Greenwich but seems to have migrated to somewhere in Scotland; just a dastardly plot to control us Sassenachs. Anyway, being a Government department, they are too important to answer to the likes of me. Answers on a PC CW |
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Ah you Southerners!
Being a Scot living on the South Coast I can possibly see both sides of the argument and tell you there isn't a happy solution. If there was we'd all be doing it. The amount of available daylight at any given time of the year varies depending on how far north you live. In winter there is far less daylight in the north, and in the summer there is far more. Land of the midnight sun and all that. Changing the clocks does not change the amount of available daylight in any 24 cycle. It only alters the time at which it is available. Putting the clocks back in October means it gets light one hour earlier in the morning. In Southern England that may not mean much but when you are walking to school, doing a paper round, commuting to work or starting work on a building site anywhere north of Manchester believe me it does. The Tooth Fairy and I, both brought up in Scotland, well remember the years they experimented with not changing the clocks. Kids were decked out with florescent clothes to wear getting to school, and in mid winter if it was the usual dull day it didn't get properly light until 10.00am in the far north. Its not a good way to start the day. By the time you get out of school, work or whatever and get home its still dark anyway so what have you gained? Of course changing the clocks means you lose an hour's daylight in the evening and some would argue that's just as bad so there is no happy medium. If people suffer from SAD they should try living through a Scottish winter. It probably explains why we are so miserable! Living down here I really don't miss the dark mornings in winter but I do miss the super long evenings in Summer, but unless we rotate the country there's not much that can be done. I await the flurry of responses! Cheers Graham |
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Graham,
I remember the 1970s BST experiment - I had a torch to walk to/from the bus stop and a few of us had reflective stickers on satchels and bags. In Winter the Glasgow sunrise is 41 minutes later than London, so I fully understand the need to turn off BST. Today the Glasgow sunrise is 20 minutes later than London and the Bristol sunrise is 10 minutes later than London. That's because the sun's shadow runs diagonally SW to NE, more so in Winter. But this Sunday the Glasgow sunrise will be 6:41 so if it became 7:41 surely there will enough light for the kids getting to school? Our sunrise is 9 minutes behind London and there is already enough light for Liza to get to school if the clocks went forward. I'm not suggesting for one minute that we stick to BST all year (like we did in the 70s), but like Chris I want to expand the BST range by 3 or 4 weeks and I'm fairly sure it can be accommodated by the whole country. Chris - you are spot on about the BST times being unbalanced around the Winter Solstice. In October BST sunrise stops in London at 7:48...so we should have put the clocks forward March 1st to give 7:47 I think the unbalance is historical, by picking the March Equinox as the start of BST....and yes it makes no damn sense at all. cheers Paul PS Sunrise times taken from: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/astronomy.html?n=136 |
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