Morbic 12

Re: Morbic 12

Made the Ilur mast slightly oversize, but not based on any scientific calculation. Trying not to plane it down to undersize!

Certainly made it lighter, but it's still a beast.

Tim.

On 1 Dec 2019, at 21:22, Port-Na-Storm [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

I can report that after a night snuggled up in the airing cupboard my epoxy is now running freer than The Silvery Tay in spate. I now have a special place for it beside the radiator under my desk.

I feel your pain Timmo, both of my previous masts were made from Douglas Fir and I had similar problems with the grain breaking out in local areas where it gets a bit wavy.
After roughing out the octagon with the electric planer then taking it down to sixteen sides by hand, I used my low angle block plane, changing direction where necessary, always working towards the breakout, finishing off with the sander.
My finger can detect lumps and bumps far better than my eyes these days so I finish off with a long sanding block and some P120.

Have you kept the mast to the design dimensions or have you made it oversized? I'm not sure what the procedure is when you use the birds-mouth technique. I imagine the mast on the Ilur is fairly substantial.

I would have considered going the same route but I don't have the tooling, although I have wondered whether it would be worth routing out a hollow channel before gluing the two halves together to save weight.
Alternatively I might get a quote for Sitka Spruce but I don't know if I'm brave enough.

G.

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All this rubbish weather has provided a good excuse to hide in the garage and get on with the boat.
Its been a bit of a marathon gluing session.
Some of you might remember a few years ago Ratcatcher and I found a great deal on clamps on the internet.
Well to be honest some poor soul had miss-priced them, and they only noticed when Draper went nil stock.
They really have come in handy.

Some battens for the seat fronts, and logs for the CB case.

Then glue up the CB case.

Then glue the thing in place. Always a tricky moment, if you see me sailing round in circles you'll know it didn't go well. Notice the sash clamps cunningly placed down the slot.

Then there are the gunwales, another tricky moment, waiting for that sudden crack, will they or won't they? It was pretty nerve wracking, but both sides are now on, just the inwales to do.

Today the sun shone, mostly, so we went to the seaside while the epoxy cured.

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Re: Morbic 12

Serious progress!

On 1 Mar 2020, at 22:49, Port-Na-Storm [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

All this rubbish weather has provided a good excuse to hide in the garage and get on with the boat.
Its been a bit of a marathon gluing session.
Some of you might remember a few years ago Ratcatcher and I found a great deal on clamps on the internet.
Well to be honest some poor soul had miss-priced them, and they only noticed when Draper went nil stock.
They really have come in handy. <img class="smiley" src="x-msg://82/images/smiley/smiley_happy.gif">

Some battens for the seat fronts, and logs for the CB case.

Then glue up the CB case.

Then glue the thing in place. Always a tricky moment, if you see me sailing round in circles you'll know it didn't go well. Notice the sash clamps cunningly placed down the slot.

Then there are the gunwales, another tricky moment, waiting for that sudden crack, will they or won't they? It was pretty nerve wracking, but both sides are now on, just the inwales to do.

Today the sun shone, mostly, so we went to the seaside while the epoxy cured.

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Re: Morbic 12

Looking good, I was beginning to think that you'd forgotten it ,and us! Now all you need is the water !!!!
I had to pause as the water level in the barn was rising. Ironic or what.
Richard

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I've seen Graham's hull up close (the boat not him). As usual he has built her in a clean, crisp way and the painting is excellent - not even my experienced eyes could find spots of epoxy in the wrong place

The hull shape reminds me of MilliBee, I'm sure it will be sea worthy, safe and great fun around the Solent and Chichester harbour.

The time honoured Thames camper has hinted, just hinted, that he might be sleeping aboard her. I'll get a special malt to celebrate the occasion.

Cheers
Paul

Alan

Re: Morbic 12

I particularly like the picture of the chisel clamped to a plank so that the burglars can't steal it.

Re: Morbic 12

Alan wrote

I particularly like the picture of the chisel clamped to a plank so that the burglars can't steal it.

Alan,

That is the best boat building joke I have ever heard!

Cheers
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Re: Morbic 12

Well Alan, I had heard that the HBBR inspectors were coming round, and we've all heard about Fingers Hadley. 😎

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I particularly like the picture of the chisel clamped to a plank so that the burglars can't steal it.

Alan,

That is the best boat building joke I have ever heard!

Cheers
Paul

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Alan

Re: Morbic 12

I do like the boat as well! I can see a nice little design detail which appears to be neat stowage for oars in front of the seats.

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Re: Morbic 12

The oar storage was a modification by professional builder Adrian Donovan which Francis Vivier incorporated into the kit. There are oval holes either side of the aft cave locker for the blades and the hooks on the front of the buoyancy tanks which will be underneath the thwart, will support the looms.

As Paul mentioned I am planning to make some modifications to give me a sleeping berth but don't think there will be enough room for my bum so the hooks might have to be chopped off and replaced by a much softer piece of shock cord.

We will see how that goes.

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Julian Taylor

Re: Morbic 12

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Till the lockdown I was working on our second St Ayles Skiff build in the Longshed on the old Whisstock site in Woodbridge. We used Mas epoxy and working in the unheated Longshed first job on arrival was to stick the resin and hardener in a bucket of hot water. This year it never reached problematic temperatures for curing but on the first boat last year we put a sheet over it with a couple of greenhouse heaters beneath overnight.
I'd definitely go for Sitka for the mast and spars, Dougie fir is always a pig to plane and needs a change in plane orientation too many times to avoid digging in. It's heavy too. My Morbic is now in it's 7th season - though the way things are going that will probably be the case in 2021 too - I varnished the mast for the second time a few weeks back just in time for the lockdown.
I documented my mast and spar making in the DCA mag a few years back but basically used the planes down to 32 sides. That last one just a fine cut with the low angle then I used a worn bench belt sander belt turned inside out over the spar driven by a foam arbor in a cordless drill. Worked a treat and took very little time.
Good luck with the rest of the build and I look forward to catching up with you sometime to compare notes.
We were due to visit BTAC this July for a skiff event but of course that's not happening now. I was interested to know how 22' skiffs with a similar beam including oars would get on in the Broads boat traffic. It was bad enough tacking round them in a much more manoeuvrable Morbic much earlier in the season on the last few HBBR meets there, guess we'll find out next year hopefully.
Julian

Re: Morbic 12

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Work on the Morbic 12 has stalled, again.

Progress will be resumed as soon as the Chicken Shack has been completed.
One of daughter's lockdown projects with the grandkids has been to hatch out some chicks, things have escalated, a few orphans have been donated and they now need a bigger home.

The Chicks not the grandkids.

Plans have been drafted, specifications altered several times, hazardous journeys to Wicks made,

Plans have now been abandoned and we're building by eye.

What could possibly go wrong?

Take Care Everyone, its not over 'till Matron says so.

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Re: Morbic 12

Graham,

It's looking good and a great start.

Best of all, adding outriggers will be easy. Will it be gaff or lug?

Don't make my mistake of an over ambitious cabin.

Paul

inwe

Re: Morbic 12

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What a good lock down haircut.

Richard

Chris Waite

Re: Morbic 12

I don't think so Richard

I think somebody's been lacing the birdseed with Minoxidil and dumping Head and Shoulders in the bathwater

Chris

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Re: Morbic 12

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We can title this one;

"Confessions of a Home Boat Builder in the time of Lockdown"

Anyone who has been around this forum will know that a build isn't really yours until you've made a few alterations. So here is my true confession.

When I started to fit out the inside of the Morbic 12 I began to think about how I would use the boat.
I normally sail alone and wanted the option of being able to sleep on board.
I also want to take my three granddaughters out for a sail round the harbour every now and again.

After a lot of deliberation I felt the forward thwart, which would have been roughly where the upper plank is shown here at the level of the seat risers, was a bit too high for the girls, currently aged 11, 7 and 6, as I like them to be low down in the boat well protected by the bulwarks.

I found I never used the forward thwart on my Coot, its not very suitable for occasional crew as they are too close to the mast and boom, and I am very unlikely to use it for rowing. I also noticed that the sloop version of the Morbic with the mast slightly further aft doesn’t have a forward thwart at all, so I thought I’d do without it.

I was also aware that there was this great empty space just aft of the bulkhead where all sorts of gear was likely to accumulate. So I decided to build in a low level thwart locker.

Experts will also notice I decided on two round hatches, either side of the mast rather than one single one right in front, and obscured by it.

So, the locker is divided in two down the centreline.
The mast steps through a box and drains into the starboard "wet" locker which in turn drains into the bilge. This side will be for anything wet and muddy, ground tackle etc.
The Port Side is "Dry" well as dry as anything ever is and will be for general storage.
The locker isn't watertight and doesn't form part of the internal buoyancy.
I didn't want to mess with M. Vivier's calculations.

The height of this locker was partly determined by the fact that I'd already cut the holes for the round hatches in the bulkhead. However the seat is low enough for the kids to lounge on safely, and will also form the forward end of my sleeping platform. The aft end of this will be made up of moveable floorboards, currently filed under "work in progress" in the section of my brain labelled "Ideas".

I did a mock-up which looked a bit like this.

There is actually about six and a half feet of length which should be fine for a wee bloke like me.

By this time I was well into Lockdown and all but the most expensive timber merchants were closed, and I had run out of Douglas Fir. I had bought a sheet of 9mm Gaboon ply for the locker thwart from Totton Timber just before the drawbridge was raised and had plenty left so I decided to try and make a centre thwart, hinged in the middle like a Pub Bar.
This should make it easier to get in and out of my bunk, and when its "open" it'll form the table top complete with fiddle to stop my coffee sliding off.
The carpentry on this is a bit sketchy, Mr Chippendale (Jack) would shake his head.

The starboard side will be bolted down to the centreboard case and buoyancy tank for rigidity while the port/ bunk side is held down by catches.

So here she is in splendid Primer.
I have actually managed to get some gloss on the inside just before I started on the Chicken Shack.
I now need to steel myself and order timber for the spars and some chandlery, and chase up my sail which is locked down in Norfolk somewhere, and then there's the trailer, oh and does anyone want to buy a very nice little Heron?

Take Care everyone.
Beware the Second Wave.
No Kidding.

Graham.

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Re: Morbic 12

It's all looking good Graham - I'm sure you can get her ready for August.

My advice is to fit a pump ahead of the centreboard, otherwise she will fill up with rain/sea water quite easily which is a pain when trying to sleep aboard. I would seal a flat sole in place, because it can be dryed quickly with a sponge - also a small sump of an inch or two will really help. Sit on the sump side and sponge out the water. The sole doesn't have to be big, but a 9mm sheet will protect the hull planks from dropping the 5kg anchor that CW will recommend!

I really don't get the idea of floor boards, they just hide water and add weight. You can get a lot of buoyancy from a sealed sole. Cliff uses removable boards for sleeping only.

Other solutions are available.

I regret not fitting a sump on MilliBee. I can retrofit one, but haven't got round to it.

-Paul

Re: Morbic 12

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That's looking really good Graham. Progress on Ruzvaen has been zero... she's in France and I'm stuck here in UK. All of lockdown passed without being able to do any work on her.

I'm looking at your mods and having thoughts myself... a hinged thwart, that may be an idea I steal. Thanks.

Tim.

On 5 Jun 2020, at 22:26, Port-Na-Storm [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

We can title this one;

"Confessions of a Home Boat Builder in the time of Lockdown"

Anyone who has been around this forum will know that a build isn't really yours until you've made a few alterations. So here is my true confession.

When I started to fit out the inside of the Morbic 12 I began to think about how I would use the boat.
I normally sail alone and wanted the option of being able to sleep on board.
I also want to take my three granddaughters out for a sail round the harbour every now and again.

After a lot of deliberation I felt the forward thwart, which would have been roughly where the upper plank is shown here at the level of the seat risers, was a bit too high for the girls, currently aged 11, 7 and 6, as I like them to be low down in the boat well protected by the bulwarks.

I found I never used the forward thwart on my Coot, its not very suitable for occasional crew as they are too close to the mast and boom, and I am very unlikely to use it for rowing. I also noticed that the sloop version of the Morbic with the mast slightly further aft doesn’t have a forward thwart at all, so I thought I’d do without it.

I was also aware that there was this great empty space just aft of the bulkhead where all sorts of gear was likely to accumulate. So I decided to build in a low level thwart locker.

Experts will also notice I decided on two round hatches, either side of the mast rather than one single one right in front, and obscured by it.

So, the locker is divided in two down the centreline.
The mast steps through a box and drains into the starboard "wet" locker which in turn drains into the bilge. This side will be for anything wet and muddy, ground tackle etc.
The Port Side is "Dry" well as dry as anything ever is and will be for general storage.
The locker isn't watertight and doesn't form part of the internal buoyancy.
I didn't want to mess with M. Vivier's calculations.

The height of this locker was partly determined by the fact that I'd already cut the holes for the round hatches in the bulkhead. However the seat is low enough for the kids to lounge on safely, and will also form the forward end of my sleeping platform. The aft end of this will be made up of moveable floorboards, currently filed under "work in progress" in the section of my brain labelled "Ideas".

I did a mock-up which looked a bit like this.

There is actually about six and a half feet of length which should be fine for a wee bloke like me.

By this time I was well into Lockdown and all but the most expensive timber merchants were closed, and I had run out of Douglas Fir. I had bought a sheet of 9mm Gaboon ply for the locker thwart from Totton Timber just before the drawbridge was raised and had plenty left so I decided to try and make a centre thwart, hinged in the middle like a Pub Bar.
This should make it easier to get in and out of my bunk, and when its "open" it'll form the table top complete with fiddle to stop my coffee sliding off.
The carpentry on this is a bit sketchy, Mr Chippendale (Jack) would shake his head.

The starboard side will be bolted down to the centreboard case and buoyancy tank for rigidity while the port/ bunk side is held down by catches.

So here she is in splendid Primer.
I have actually managed to get some gloss on the inside just before I started on the Chicken Shack.
I now need to steel myself and order timber for the spars and some chandlery, and chase up my sail which is locked down in Norfolk somewhere, and then there's the trailer, oh and does anyone want to buy a very nice little Heron?

Take Care everyone.
Beware the Second Wave.
No Kidding.

Graham.

Port-Na-Storm

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Re: Morbic 12

Thanks Tim,

We know that CW can remove half of the thwart in order to snuggle down in Polly Wee so no prizes for guessing where I stole the idea from.

I hope you are allowed to travel soon, hiding away in rural France building a boat sounds infinitely better than being stuck here surrounded by utter stupidity.

Vive La Revolution.

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That's looking really good Graham. Progress on Ruzvaen has been zero... she's in France and I'm stuck here in UK. All of lockdown passed without being able to do any work on her.

I'm looking at your mods and having thoughts myself... a hinged thwart, that may be an idea I steal. Thanks.

Tim.

On 5 Jun 2020, at 22:26, Port-Na-Storm [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

We can title this one;

"Confessions of a Home Boat Builder in the time of Lockdown"

Anyone who has been around this forum will know that a build isn't really yours until you've made a few alterations. So here is my true confession.

When I started to fit out the inside of the Morbic 12 I began to think about how I would use the boat.
I normally sail alone and wanted the option of being able to sleep on board.
I also want to take my three granddaughters out for a sail round the harbour every now and again.

After a lot of deliberation I felt the forward thwart, which would have been roughly where the upper plank is shown here at the level of the seat risers, was a bit too high for the girls, currently aged 11, 7 and 6, as I like them to be low down in the boat well protected by the bulwarks.

I found I never used the forward thwart on my Coot, its not very suitable for occasional crew as they are too close to the mast and boom, and I am very unlikely to use it for rowing. I also noticed that the sloop version of the Morbic with the mast slightly further aft doesn’t have a forward thwart at all, so I thought I’d do without it.

I was also aware that there was this great empty space just aft of the bulkhead where all sorts of gear was likely to accumulate. So I decided to build in a low level thwart locker.

Experts will also notice I decided on two round hatches, either side of the mast rather than one single one right in front, and obscured by it.

So, the locker is divided in two down the centreline.
The mast steps through a box and drains into the starboard "wet" locker which in turn drains into the bilge. This side will be for anything wet and muddy, ground tackle etc.
The Port Side is "Dry" well as dry as anything ever is and will be for general storage.
The locker isn't watertight and doesn't form part of the internal buoyancy.
I didn't want to mess with M. Vivier's calculations.

The height of this locker was partly determined by the fact that I'd already cut the holes for the round hatches in the bulkhead. However the seat is low enough for the kids to lounge on safely, and will also form the forward end of my sleeping platform. The aft end of this will be made up of moveable floorboards, currently filed under "work in progress" in the section of my brain labelled "Ideas".

I did a mock-up which looked a bit like this.

There is actually about six and a half feet of length which should be fine for a wee bloke like me.

By this time I was well into Lockdown and all but the most expensive timber merchants were closed, and I had run out of Douglas Fir. I had bought a sheet of 9mm Gaboon ply for the locker thwart from Totton Timber just before the drawbridge was raised and had plenty left so I decided to try and make a centre thwart, hinged in the middle like a Pub Bar.
This should make it easier to get in and out of my bunk, and when its "open" it'll form the table top complete with fiddle to stop my coffee sliding off.
The carpentry on this is a bit sketchy, Mr Chippendale (Jack) would shake his head.

The starboard side will be bolted down to the centreboard case and buoyancy tank for rigidity while the port/ bunk side is held down by catches.

So here she is in splendid Primer.
I have actually managed to get some gloss on the inside just before I started on the Chicken Shack.
I now need to steel myself and order timber for the spars and some chandlery, and chase up my sail which is locked down in Norfolk somewhere, and then there's the trailer, oh and does anyone want to buy a very nice little Heron?

Take Care everyone.
Beware the Second Wave.
No Kidding.

Graham.

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