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Well after Boris's speech this afternoon that's my continued construction finished for a bit. My unit is some distance away so pause for some time.
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Hi Richard, While I wouldn't want to make light of the very serious situation we are in, or encourage anyone to ignore the guidance, I would question the necessity to stop visiting your unit. I am assuming that you would be travelling alone in the car and working on your own probably not making contact with anyone the whole time you are out. Or am I making too many assumptions, again. Tomorrow I plan to self-isolate on my bike somewhere on the Wiltshire plains. Happy to hear the views of others on how to meet the objectives of the guidelines without getting cabin fever. Take care and be sensible people. Graham Sent from my Xperia by Sony smartphone ---- inwe [via UK HBBR Forum] wrote ---- Well after Boris's speech this afternoon that's my continued construction finished for a bit. My unit is some distance away so pause for some time. Take care folks and stay safe. Richard If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:
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Still at work here though due to a coronary artery issue I might be on the list of those advised to go home for 3 weeks. Well stocked up with beer and loo roll though! Steve ![]() |
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Funny but I have only heard of one incident of panic buying of wine. Have people totally got there priorities wrong? Alcoholic wash from the inside !
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I'm currently self isolated in France but, in a few hours, will be salf isolated in my car all the way back to the channel coast, then will go to my self isolatiing cabin aboard the ferry keeping my distance from others on the way and washing my hands when I get there. Reverse procedure once we dock in Portsmouth. Then I'll go home to my wife, a nursery school full of 43 children and 15 or so staff, from whom I will also try and maintain my distance!
Maybe I should stay here? Mind you, if Boris orders the closing of schools and nurseries it gets really bad... all those emergency and health workers unable to work because of childcare responsibilities. Most can't use grandparents for childcare at the moment for fear of infecting them. Among our nursery parents we have doctors, an anaesthetist, nurses, paramedics as well as police and a fireman. Will the fact that many of them can't work cause more deaths than might happen as a result of cross infection via schools? I suspect someone is calculating that. Glad it's not my call. Then there's all the other business that won't be able to function without those staff. An awful lot of businesses are about to disappear. Our nursery will be bankrupt within a month (full salaries, no income) so won't be there when any closure order is lifted. If I was the worrying type I would be worried now. But I find it hard to worry about stuff that's so far outside my control. For now I'm just riding the wave. Stay well everyoe. Tim. |
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We are sensible, independent, creative builders.
2m separation for 15 min seems to be ok (Boris, please correct me, you are so good with detail*). Driving to a unit that only you occupy is sensible, and building is therapeutic. So I say carry on Richard and we love to see pictures. Cheers Paul *Has nobody shown Boris how to create a PowerPoint presentation? Get the facts as simple as possible on a few slides, then waffle and wave hands, look at the slide when you forget what comes next. |
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I'm just having to stay in my home workshop and make the driving truck for my traction engine.
Richard |
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"Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men"
I'm reasonably happy to keep away from people & stay at home (or as a friend put it "be confined to barracks") as long as I can define "home" as containing the Adventure Centre complete with all its nature reserve, (but not its school parties!) and the Broad! I think as long as you minimise contact with other people, there's no reason why one should not work on the boat (or in my current case, varnish the floors in our old house). Simon |
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Richard has just said he has only heard of one instance of panic wine buying. I have just spoken to a friend who is very high risk. He was in his car going to the wine merchants and steel stock holders (to get supplies to modify his Austin 7) before going into three months self isolation!
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Some here may recall that I spent the last years of my career at Porton Down. Interesting place, although it does tend to induce a bit of paranoia when it comes to pathogens.
The government aren't, IMHO, doing a very good job of giving practical, everyday, advice as to how people can behave sensibly, and adjust their behaviour according to the level of risk. When I first started work in a lab (for the UKAEA) I was given loads of training on handling radioactive compounds, mainly associated with the best way to avoid the risk of accidental contamination. The first lesson was to imagine that our hands were covered with wet blue paint (most of us have probably been there) and that anything we touched would get contaminated. It's incredibly difficult to stop touching things, especially your face (no fun having splodges of paint there, either). The best method for me is the one that has been custom in the Middle East for centuries, the idea of having a clean hand and an unclean hand. I used to keep my clean hand tucked behind my back, as a reminder to not get it contaminated. The same principle works for this thing when we're out and about in any environment where there could be potential contamination, keep one hand clean and one hand unclean, and never let something transfer between them, and never let the unclean hand touch your face. The risks we face from the SARS-CoV-2 virus are manageable. There are two transmission routes, either breathing in viral particles excreted directly by an infected person (who may well be asymptomatic), or (mainly) by indirect transfer from hand to the mucus membranes in our respiratory tract (via hand to mouth, nose or eye contact). The latter is the insidious one, as the virus can probably persist on a cool, non-porous surface for several days, so everything from a fuel pump to a payment keypad (and many other things) could be pretty effective routes to transfer the infection from person to person. The good news is that it's very easy to deactivate the virus. It has a lipid outer coat, that is near-instantly broken down by good old soap and water. It can also be deactivated quickly with a number of virucides; my favourite is a 70% isopropyl alcohol (IPA) and water mix (the water is essential - 100% alcohol is relatively ineffective). I went shopping on Saturday, and this is how I went about reducing my risk. I took a spray bottle filled with IPA/water mix and a small microfibre cloth with me (microfibre is really good at mechanically cleaning surfaces). I wiped down all the parts of the shopping trolley that I was likely to touch with the cloth wetted with the mix. I only used my right hand to pick stuff off the shelves and I took great care to never touch my face with that hand. I tried to stay clear of others as far as I could, and used the self-service checkout, to avoid being close to a checkout operator. I wiped the touch screen and keypad with the wetted cloth before I started, and again only used my right hand to touch anything I put in my bags. I got my bank card out with my (clean) left hand and put in the (cleaned) keypad, and used my right hand to press the buttons. When I left the shop I wiped both hands with the wetted cloth to clean them, put the shopping bags in the car and drove home. When I unpacked the bags I wiped the outside of any non-porous boxes, bottles, packaging etc down with the wetted cloth, and wiped down the worktops they had been sat on. I don't worry too much about porous stuff, as the virus most probably can't persist there for more than maybe 3 hours at the most, plus porous stuff isn't that good at transfer. We have a strict rule that anything outside the doors of the house is assumed to be contaminated and anything inside is deemed to be safe. The post lady delivered a plastic wrapped parcel this morning (at arms length, as per the new Post Office guidance) I took it with my unclean hand and used my clean hand to wipe it down with the disinfectant mix. It might seem OTT, but the paper published by Imperial College yesterday, the one that has informed the government action, has some clear indications of the magnitude of the challenge we face. Doing nothing results in about 510,000 people dying in the UK before the end of this year. Doing the social distancing, personal hygiene/protection, shielding the elderly and vulnerable brings this number down to about 250,000 deaths this year in the UK. Not great, but the best we can realistically do (other than pray to whatever deity you may choose to believe in). |
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Jeremy, you have obviously thought about this! Thank you for sharing your ideas. I think I am going for a slightly simpler approach, myself, and I will be wearing disposable nitrile gloves when I need to touch anything on my few trips outside. I used to handle radioactive materials in a former life so I am very well aware of how easy it is to spread stuff around even when you think you are being clean and tidy.
Who would have thought that walking the dog would become the highlight of the day? Keep safe, everyone. |
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I went for a walk around the village yesterday. Quite a few people out walking, with dogs or otherwise. All automatically adopted the "safe distance" thing when approaching others.
I think that the best thing all of us that have a bit of an understanding of the ease with which contamination can spread is to be a good example to others. I noted that instead of saying "good morning" when meeting others out walking, it seems that the new custom is a cheery wave, smile and saying "stay safe". It seems that community spirit is alive and well, despite the restrictions. |
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Even more off topic - the limit for a contact-less payment is £30. Before driving to Screwfix today (which was almost empty) I browsed all the codes on my phone, so I reeled off the details then paid without touching anything.
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Contactless is not limited if you use your phone ( well it is but I think it's £250 or more.) I never use a card, and never have to put in a pin. Just proximity to your phone, no touching involved. Hundreds here in the lake District walking.... On Wed, 18 Mar 2020, 14:02 Paul (admin) [via UK HBBR Forum], <[hidden email]> wrote: Even more off topic - the limit for a contact-less payment is £30. Before driving to Screwfix today (which was almost empty) I browsed all the codes on my phone, so I reeled off the details then paid without touching anything. |
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We have tried click and collect - first available delivery slot (for the only one that delivers here) was 8th April. Local pub has started an off licence service, so have ordered all the booze from there. We've found two pretty good local farm shops, plus we found that our village shop is taking special orders for anything that they don't have in stock. I'm pretty sure we can probably give up going to the nearest supermarket, which saves a 20 mile round trip.
Good tip about using a 'phone for higher value contactless payments. Amazing things, really, mine unlocks my car and starts it, allows me to precondition the cabin before I go out and now it seems the thing can make easy payments, too. Mind you, I very rarely ever use it as a 'phone, as we can't get a signal here . . . |
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Just to demonstrate that nothing is sacred, I'm attending a funeral tomorrow of an old friend. Its being shown live on a webcast so that people can "attend" without being there - nice.
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Our Click and Collect involves ordering and paying online they going and collecting... no further payment needed, package ready and waiting (at Screwfix it will be ready within a few minutes.) Does mean going out, but very minimal interaction with people and easy to maintain distance. Like the tip about payment by phone, not a habit I've got yet. Will start using it more.
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Dilys said the weakness in deliveries is that most Supermarkets rely on staff picking food in the store with a trolley.
That's slow and a friend had several items not available and 13 substitutes - the system is overloaded and plagued by dozy shoppers. A new distribution system is needed. Morrisons are packing food boxes of essential food and hygiene products in their main warehouse. They are hiring 3000 to pack and deliver. That's ideal for the elderly. It's like wartime rationing, which I think is a few weeks away. There are plenty of people that need a calorie controlled diet....the obese are more at risk to the virus. Paul Btw Is it just me that thinks the Chancellor is a future Prime Minister? Young, energetic, intelligent, a good communicator and focused - he gets on with things swiftly with a good grasp of detail. Meanwhile Boris ...... |
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Would it not be a good idea to move this lot over to its own thread? Richard |
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