MilliBee with a haircut?

[Paul H (admin)]

A brilliant idea I picked up from the chap who built the Scamp at the building competition at Beale Park.

He used drain rods which come in 3ft lengths, are almost indestructible and easily screw together...to frame a boom tent. I went for the slightly upmarket Blue rods that have brass fittings (cheaper black rods have steel fittings). It turns out the brass ends are exactly 22mm diameter, so cheap and cheerful 22mm plumbing brackets hold the rods nicely:



With brackets at the cabin corners the canvas/tarp will run flush with the cabin sides. The exact height will depend upon the boom height, so I expect to add about half a rod to gain some extra height. Simple cleats will lash the rods to the cabin and secure them in strong winds.
The great feature is they quickly unscrew and can fit just about anywhere.

This will a great way to store her in the Winter months, with good airflow and the ability to work when its raining cats and dogs.

-Paul

[Chris Waite]

Jolly Good Paulie

You know I already use the every similar light blue water pipe, but I agree for any easier to store longer lengths and increased strength, drain rods seem the better option.

May I suggest those open clips, particularly on the upper corners of the cabin, are likely to grab every passing rope, bit of clothing, or any unsuspecting thing that brushes past them and that full deck-eyes in the form of skinny stainless U-bolts, or even home-made stainless strip, or wooden blocks, might prove better behaved.

They would also double-up for tying stuff like fenders to

Knot on my watch

CW

[Port-Na-Storm]

One time when upcycling isn't such a good idea. That smell never goes away.
They should be totally bomb proof though.

[Paul H (admin)]

They were a quick trial but worked extremely well for home use.

I have a pair of stainless bull noses I could fit to lash the pipes in place.

Being on the back face and outside the jib sheets the upper clips maybe ok.

 But I do agree they could quickly get annoying ...very easy to remove though and we need to consider genoa sheets.

Work in progress. ....

Paul

[Chris Waite]

Bull noses;

Don't the cows find them a little cold to the nuzzle, in stainless?

What are 'bull noses'?

I can see the fates lurking there amongst the shadows Paulie, rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of all the things they can foul up; why tempt them?

Just the other day I happened to see a safety pin on the carpet, so I picked it up and took it over to a suitable Tupperware receptacle.  There I dropped it into the container, except that it stuck to my fingers just long enough to miss, before friction failed and it dropped back onto the carpet.

So I picked it up again and flipped it downward to make sure it relinquished its association with my finger tips.  It hit something else in the box and bounced out; back onto the carpet.  So I picked it up again and placed it very firmly in the box, where it finally stayed put.

Everything last sodding thing I do these days takes at least three attempts.  And that gentlemen, is why I haven't had time to do much in the way of home-buildy projects, so Bianca the campervan still isn't and Polly Wee's few remaining items are still remaining.

And I've barely seen any real water

Apart from the Thames

Quickfinger

Life catches on everything, except when it's meant to; then it can make even eels seem easy

[Timmo]

Only three attempts to do things?

"You lucky lucky b------d" (ref: SPike Milligan's character in Life of Brian)

I get to two tries then generally find I've forgotten what it was I was trying to do in the first place. When I remember I repeat the process. Can go on a long time!

Hang on in there Chris, only hurts if you think about it.

On 2 Jul 2015, at 09:32, Chris Waite [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Bull noses;

Don't the cows find them a little cold to the nuzzle, in stainless?

What are 'bull noses'?

I can see the fates lurking there amongst the shadows Paulie, rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of all the things they can foul up; why tempt them?

Just the other day I happened to see a safety pin on the carpet, so I picked it up and took it over to a suitable Tupperware receptacle.  There I dropped it into the container, except that it stuck to my fingers just long enough to miss, before friction failed and it dropped back onto the carpet.

So I picked it up again and flipped it downward to make sure it relinquished its association with my finger tips.  It hit something else in the box and bounced out; back onto the carpet.  So I picked it up again and placed it very firmly in the box, where it finally stayed put.

Everything last sodding thing I do these days takes at least three attempts.  And that gentlemen, is why I haven't had time to do much in the way of home-buildy projects, so Bianca the campervan still isn't and Polly Wee's few remaining items are still remaining.

And I've barely seen any real water

Apart from the Thames

Quickfinger

Life catches on everything, except when it's meant to; then it can make even eels looks easy

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[Chris Partridge]

A Pedant Writes:
Not Milligan - Palin. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI

[Timmo]

You're absolutely right... told you my memory was going!

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A Pedant Writes:
Not Milligan - Palin. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI

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[Paul H (admin)]

Chris - a Grauniad style typo on my part. They are "Bulls Eye" fairleads of type Holt Allen 152. I have had a pair with stainless fittings on MilliBee since launching for the jib sheets. Here is one where it could lash the pipe:



I'll leave the plastic clip in place as it literally unscrews in 10 seconds if tempers fray. As you say a midships fairlead has many uses including fender hanging.

-Paul

PS: There are cheaper versions without the stainless fitting, which is very smooth.

[Chris Waite]

Ah Paulie!

Now I understand - took my ageing grey matter a while to catch up and at least the internet knows the origin of Grauniad, which I'd never heard before.

I'd call those (plastic) Deck eyes , with or without stainless steel inserts and the word fairlead comes to mind as well:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=deck+eyes&biw=1366&bih=623&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=6AeZVafoLo77gwTe440o&ved=0CFkQsAQ&dpr=1

And straight onto my next grumpy observation -

Why mount an eye that the pipe won't go through, vertically on an adjacent surface, expecting to have to lash the pipe to it, each side - every time you need a cockpit tent, when you could have an eye large enough to take the pipe, mounted at the correct angle, on the contiguous surface, so that all you need to do is to slip it into place when needed, while providing a fitting still available to tie odd stuff to, as the occasion arises?

Help me out here?

Captain Birdseye

[Paul H (admin)]

CW wanted some pics of the cabin - too damn difficult with Googles default webmail editor, but Nabble makes it a breeze.

The board has a R100 mm corner with the pivot bolt at the centre. So the pivot bolt is exactly 100 mm from the case inside corner plus about 15 mm horizontal clearance. It's 100mm up from the hull profile (exactly like the Enterprise)


The corner shelf is a helpful step (I think) and strengthens the case:


Its possible to slice off a section inside and make no difference to the area in the water when the board is vertical:

Its debatable if the board needs to be 20in wide, that's the maximum for the wooden Enterprise's but some are narrower. That could lower the case and really improve cabin access.


The area between bulkheads 1 and 2 is for the heavy stuff, to balance the boat better. So batteries, charger, water bottles, tinned food etc can go there. I plan a small boxed shelf, well ventilated and easy access lid:


That means the sleeping berth has to slide under the cockpit seats. There is no room for my head, so its feet astern only:


Getting in and out is the most difficult problem, even Dilys struggles. The YM Senior had a cockpit 3 feet wide and that's doable. Plan E is an Al style cockpit - I'm sure there was 6in clearance before but with the cabin 3in lower that makes 9in which is more than enough for all round vision.

-Paul

[Paul H (admin)]

For those that know MilliBee's trailer, I wonder if these would stabilise the boat and make launch/recovery easier:



The key issue is the minimum V angle between these and the keel rollers. I have a feeling these will be too high for MilliBee's mid-section, which has to pass through all the rear rollers, and the hull maybe be lifted off the keel roller.

Her strongest element by far is the hog, so the keel rollers should take 90% of the weight.

-Paul

[Timmo]

I sprung a plank on Zelva when her weight came on the side rollers while she was being trailed. Some will remember waking at Mapledurham on the Hairpin Raid to find me lifting her out for emergency repairs after coming close to sinking overnight.

Lesson... make sure the weight is on the keel while being towed, side bunks/rollers for stabilising only. Now I make sure she can wobble very slightly from side to side once fully on the trailer, then stop that movement by strapping her down.

Having said that, doubt there would be harm if Millibee (with her more substantial hull) briefly rested on side rollers at certain stages while being pulled onto the trailer. Just be sure she settles onto her keel once fully onto the trailer with no significant weight on the rollers while towing.

Not sure whether that makes sense. But will send anyway and see!

Tim.

On 15 Jul 2015, at 18:18, Paul (admin) [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

For those that know MilliBee's trailer, I wonder if these would stabilise the boat and make launch/recovery easier:



The key issue is the minimum V angle between these and the keel rollers. I have a feeling these will be too high for MilliBee's mid-section, which has to pass through all the rear rollers, and the hull maybe be lifted off the keel roller.

Her strongest element by far is the hog, so the keel rollers should take 90% of the weight.

-Paul

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[Port-Na-Storm]

There's a good video here of Matt recovering a Bayraider single handed  using a swing cradle trailer.
The boat appears to lift up and over the first set of rollers, then settle down onto the keel rollers.
https://youtu.be/oqkEvpaafXk
Its very clever how the rollers centralise the boat and swing it into line even in a crosswind.

[Timmo]

I sprung a plank on Zelva when her weight came on the side rollers while she was being trailed. Some will remember waking at Mapledurham on the Hairpin Raid to find me lifting her out for emergency repairs after coming close to sinking overnight.

Lesson... make sure the weight is on the keel while being towed, side bunks/rollers for stabilising only. Now I make sure she can wobble very slightly from side to side once fully on the trailer, then stop that movement by strapping her down.

Having said that, doubt there would be harm if Millibee (with her more substantial hull) briefly rested on side rollers at certain stages while being pulled onto the trailer. Just be sure she settles onto her keel once fully onto the trailer with no significant weight on the rollers while towing.

Not sure whether that makes sense. But will send anyway and see!

Tim.

On 15 Jul 2015, at 18:18, Paul (admin) [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

For those that know MilliBee's trailer, I wonder if these would stabilise the boat and make launch/recovery easier:



The key issue is the minimum V angle between these and the keel rollers. I have a feeling these will be too high for MilliBee's mid-section, which has to pass through all the rear rollers, and the hull maybe be lifted off the keel roller.

Her strongest element by far is the hog, so the keel rollers should take 90% of the weight.

-Paul

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[alopenboat]

It is as well to make sure that the centre of gravity of the
hull does not have to lift up on it's way off the trailer. That can
lead to much pushing and panting on a shallow slipway.

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> There's a good video here of Matt recovering a Bayraider single handed
>  using a swing cradle trailer. The boat appears to lift up and over
> the first set of rollers, then settle down onto the keel rollers.
> https://youtu.be/oqkEvpaafXk Its very clever how the rollers
> centralise the boat and swing it into line even in a crosswind.
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[Port-Na-Storm]

Well done Paul.

A quick shot of Millibee's first sail after all the modifications.



CW and Paul went out on Sunday with the Wayfarer Genoa up and she was going like a train.
A few of us went out to the point to watch, but not one of us had a camera. Doh!

[Paul H (admin)]

Thanks Graham, also the faithful who helped with launch/recovery.

The Wayfarer Genoa is awesome and works great with the Vagabond main sail (designed by Jack Holt). We had the centre-board fully down; 20 in wide and 33 in deep below the hull. She pointed well and we were making 90 degree tacks against the tide.

-Paul

[Paul H (admin)]

It's about 41 years since I saw Uriah Heep live and 40 years since I saw Led Zeppelin live. But the awkward shaped centreboard case and low roof doesn't add up to Easy Livin, especially when the Levee Breaks. There ain't no place to go.

But there is now.

The hatch came off and I cut alongside the main beams extending the opening to approx 750mm deep by 580mm wide, not too different to the opening on a Paradox at 780x640.



I will laminate some hardwood either side of the already strong twin 4.5mm ply. The centre will need temporary support to keep an even curve up to the tabernackle.



It is much, much easier to get in, move around and get out. A lightweight lift up Broads style roof is plan A, completely removeable for the new Autumn sun the jet stream is giving us.

Recycled polycarbonate from old secondary glazing might work well. Should be strong-ish when curved but not too uncomfortable when head banging.

-Paul