The build of the illegal dinghy (Iceni 11)

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Anders Anders
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The build of the illegal dinghy (Iceni 11)

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So this is what I´m working on these days.
Its a smaller version of Campionboats Iceni 12, with slightly higher topsides. Finished it´ll be 345 x 140 (11´4" x 4´7")
Its what I consider to be the max size for cartopping singlehanded with the help of a Karitech lifter or a homemade version. And its also about the smalest I want to sail round in myself.
The dink is going to be a small sail and oar, with a sail around 60sqf and a set of oars around 7,5´
Tom Dunderdale of Campion boats has drawn the hull, and I´m doing the interior layout, sail plan and foils. My goal is to have a sailrig that can easy be taken away so that you dont have to row with the rig and sail up. Also, its high priority to have the oars hidden away. I hate oars lying around.
Maybe I will do some moveable sideseats like on Ross Lilly Stones “Phoenix 3“. They can be moved into the center and thus provide a small sleeping platform. But thats clearly a maybe. I cant really see myself sleeping in a 11´dink. But it would be nice to have for a little nab after a lot of sun, a good meal and a beer.
Its going to be clinker ply with 4 strakes a side and a "false" strake using an extra rubbing strake on the wide sheerstrake. The hull has similar lines to most of Toms designs: A wide garboard, 2 narrow center strakes and a wide sheerstrake. It also has a quite deep and sharp forefoot and a lifted transom making it an easy driven hull.
Thsi with illegal is because, according to Spanish law, I have to register a boat this size, and in order to do so I´ll have to employ a naval architect to follow my work and make flotation tests and all kinds of crap. This´ll make the boat coat 3 - 4 times more than the around 1000,- gbp. that I think it´ll cost me to build all included. sail, masts etc.





I´ve made a little 1: 10 model of the hull.




And I´ve set up a building jig. The hull can be made stich and tape as well, but I really prefer the process of building clinker ply.  The jig is made 100% of old wood pieces lying around in my house and some pieces I found in a container.





well, thats it for today. I´ll plank the hull in one go, so very soon......
Port-Na-Storm Port-Na-Storm
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That's the spirit Anders, sod the rules!
This looks like a handy little dinghy and i'm sure you'll make a great job of building it.
I've just been posting some photos on port-na-storm including this nice little Francois Vivier 12 footer.  If you look closely you can see how he has dealt with the oar storage problem.



Cheers Graham
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On 3 Oct 2011 at 13:58, Anders [via UK HBBR Forum] wrote:

> Thsi with illegal is because, according to Spanish
> law, I have to register a boat this size, and in order to do so I´ll
> have to employ a naval architect to follow my work and make flotation
> tests and all kinds of crap.

Do you have to register the boat before it is finished? Can you test
sail it before it is finished and registered?

Can you arrange to never quite finish it?

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Hoping for calm nights

Alastair Law,
Yeovil, England.
<http://www.little.jim.freeuk.com>

Anders Anders
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Graham
Thats one of the ideas I have. There´s another one, which is to complicated to explain. Fixed side benches give good bouyancy, but on a small design, they take away some space for the feet.
Vivier is actually one of the very few designers (if not the only) Working with details like where to stow the oars.
I have saved your photo so that I can study it some more

Alastair
I can register later. It´ll cost the same and involve the same naval architect with his oily hair and new Audi A4.
I´m not going to register. I might store the boat in the local sail club. They dont care and the Guardia Civil are not very likely to show up there. Besudes that, Portugal is 50 km away and there I´m just an ignorant foreigner with a Danish pasport. And in summer, I hope to go to La France. Its way to hot here anyways
Anders Anders
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Progres. Lining up for the garboards.
David Bewick David Bewick
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Anders,

I know the search for the perfect boat is a life-long quest for many of us and that we may never achieve what we are really looking for.  However, you seem determined to make how ever many boats it takes to get there - I admire your determination and your productivity!

Meanwhile, my Aber build plods along. I am just making the pattern for the 4th plank at the moment and I will post some more pics soon.

Best regards,

David.
Anders Anders
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David

Somehow building these boats is a bit far out. But its plain therapy... My wife has ALS and is very ill. Making the boat gives me illusion and energy to carry on. Besides, its a child dream and right now I have a place where I can build.I like to learn and I learn a lot building boats .
A 11´dink is not my dream boat. Right now I have no dream boat but if I was living in a country with different rules than the ones they have here, I would build someting more or less the size of your Aber and put it on a trailer. Or if I had the space I might even build a nice little pocket cruiser. I´m good at working woods, so I´m pretty fast.
The Iceni 11 is what I consider a relatively easy and fast build. Hopefully I will get a chance to use it a lot.

And please, a few photos of your build. I know that there are an awesome photo series on the build of an Aber on Viviers website. Totally professional. but I like following amateur builds. Good luck with the next couple of planks.
Anders Anders
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Here you have the centerboard that I drew up. I had endless discussions with myself wheather to use a daggerboard or a centerboard. Then Graham wrote that a centerboard folds up nicely and I thought that it sounded nice and that I wanted something like that.
so here it is.
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Planking is 5mm 5 ply Calabo WBP. Its very light and also softer than Okume. But its what I can get and thats life. Its cheap and totally free of voids and knots. 25,- gbp a sheet.




The design has a very deep forefoot and the planks wouldn´t come into the mould closest to the stem. So a bit of tweaking was necesary



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I did the planking in one go. 1 day for the scarfs and a set of planks a day. So in total 5 days. Now I´m back to work, French polishing 3 guitars


As you can see on this photo, the 3rd plank hardspotted a bit over the moulds. I think this design should have stringers on the mould if building with ply thinner than 6mm



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The man's a machine! 

Is planking an entire hull in a day a record amongst the HBBR fraternity?

I am very impressed. 

Tim.


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On 9 Oct 2011, at 17:49, Anders [via UK HBBR Forum] wrote:

I did the planking in one go. 1 day for the scarfs and a set of planks a day. So in total 5 days. Now I´m back to work, French polishing 3 guitars


As you can see on this photo, the 3rd plank hardspotted a bit over the moulds. I think this design should have stringers on the mould if building with ply thinner than 6mm






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Well, I did say 5 days and not 1 day for the planking. Besides, its only 4 planks a side.

I work fast. I am a pro woodworker. My goal is not a perfect showcase dinghy. In my daily work I have to be extremely accurate. French polishing 3 guitars is a 3 - 4 weeks process , so when building a boat, I like to be a little bit more rough.
If one day I live in a place where things are different than they are here, I´d like to build something bigger , using really nice materials and take my time.
Port-Na-Storm Port-Na-Storm
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One day, five days, It would have taken me six months to do that!

Well done!

Its also great watching you build your guitars.  I'm also watching Robert Ditterich, at What was the middle thing?  who is a professional Violin maker, as well as builder of a Welsford Navigator, and is currently building a guitar for himself.

I just can't imagine being so accurate, and no thickened epoxy!!!!!
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Port-Na-Storm wrote
I just can't imagine being so accurate, and no thickened epoxy!!!!!
Then you should try French polishing. Thats what drives me mad sometimes. You cant hide anything under French Polish. On the contrary. it makes every little imperfection just jump out. Besides that, its very slow and very difficult.

Thanks for the link.. I will read around on that blog a bit. Lots of things in common. I used to play classical violin when I was young, so I´m considering building myself one and a Navigator or a Houdini is on my list of possible builds.

And ok, 5 days is fast... But I worked full time on it those five days.
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Well, I planked my Paradox in one day. But as there is only one plank
each side and they have to be fitted together that is no great feat.

All respect to the man.


On 9 Oct 2011 at 9:54, Timmo [via UK HBBR Forum] wrote:

>
>
> The man's a machine!
>
> Is planking an entire hull in a day a record amongst the HBBR
> fraternity?
>
> I am very impressed.
>
> Tim.
>
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Just some photos of the hull. Holes filled and 1 layer of epoxy.


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Anders,

I see you are using a framework of battens to get your plank shapes.  I have been spiling mine and making ply patterns during my Aber build (so far).  Have you tried it this way and, if so, do you have any thoughts on the pros and cons of the two approaches?  It was to be said that your way doesn't exactly seem to slow you down!

I have not had to make any serious adjustments to my patterns so far, so I am contemplating spiling the next plank straight onto the planking stock.

Best regards,

David.
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To be honest, I think its a matter of taste... I had sticks, and I´m used to work like that. Besides, the planks on the Iceni are relatively wide, so the battens work well. On a multiplank design like your Aber, the Coot or similar, I doubt that battens will work.
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Here you have a sail plan... I havent totally decided yet, It´ll be this one or a Balanced lug....

This one is the Neil Pride 64sqf pram sail. Its very cheap especially if I can get it without paying import tax. (some 120 gbp + shipping)
Its what I call a modern sprit sail. Basically its a bigger optimist sail. It has 4 controls: boom outhall, snotter, downhall and kicker. So it can really be adjusted a lot and with the high sprit and downhall you can move the curve of thail a lot. Also, I believe that a well controle roach gives a better lift when tacking. Sailmakers talk aboy eliptical sails and this is pretty close.
Downsides, more complicated to reef, looks less "salty" and you cannot leave the mast on as on a lugsail.



Here you have the lugsail alternative that I´ve designed. which´ll be more expensive a require longer (heavier) spars



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Re: The build of the illegal dinghy (Iceni 11)

I'm guessing the deathly hush coming from Cee Dubbs means he's still in Americay so I'll chip in my two pesetas.  If its difficult to reef and impossible to strike, why would you want it?

I'd go for the simplicity of the Balanced Lug. The boom shouldn't be any different between the two and although the lug yard will need to be a little bit heftier where are you going to keep that great long sprit?

have fun,
Graham

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