MilliBee with a haircut?

[Paul H (admin)]

Ok - back to cutting and gluing.

A cardboard template is essential for cutting the curved deck and front accurately, otherwise the swear box can fill up rapidly. With a few flat strips to extend the "ruled surface" (aka deck) I'm rather pleased how the curved surfaces will blend together:



Beer Time!

-Paul

[Port-Na-Storm]

Well,
You could always put a radius between the main bulkhead and the sheer line, then replace the side windows with a couple of round portholes that would make it more YW ish.

Hang on I think I've just heard CW self combust with frustration, best just glue it up.

Excellent work, keep it up!

[GregHBBR]

I agree!

You're in danger of attempting to produce a scale model of a YMS and that means that it will only be suitable for scale model people.

When it comes to small boats I fancy the Scamp:
http://smallcraftadvisor.com/component/content/article/361

Scale it up to Lynx size and you've got something faintly odd. Scale it up to YMS size and you've got something downright ugly and quite ridiculous.

[Jeremy]

Very nice job, Paul.  It's amazing how just cutting down the cabin has improved the look of the whole boat so much.

Having started off 35 odd years ago being convinced that any boat that didn't have standing headroom in the cabin was not for me, and spending an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to squeeze extra headroom out of an old 20ft boat I restored, I eventually realised that in a small boat you only need enough space to crawl in and out of a bunk reasonably comfortably, and sit up without braining yourself, plus room in the cockpit to do all the standing up type things.

This change of heart came about when I realised that every time I went sailing in a friends International Folkboat I opted for the quarter berth.  There's something particularly snug about sleeping at sea in a small wooden tunnel..............

[David Bewick]

GregHBBR wrote

Scale it up to YMS size and you've got something downright ugly and quite ridiculous.

As if it isn't, already?  

Each to his own!

David.

[Chris Waite]

I'm with Jeremy

On this scale, a cabin is for keeping stuff and your sleeping-self dry.
Sit snugly in the companionway if things are a tad inclement

But live in the cockpit

Paint the interior of the cabin white to improve visibility.  Keep the main side windows, which will provide light inside and enough see-out to see the sea outside, but you will not use any transparency further forward sufficiently to be worth the looks, the lolly, or the leakage  

She looks good to me
Sans fiddledy-dee

CW

[GregHBBR]

Hi David,

David Bewick wrote

As if it isn't, already?  

Each to his own!

You're quite right of course, but that is part of its charm. As Jeremy suggests in his comments about headroom, it's all a question of functionality within the space available.

How do you accommodate a reasonable sail area and at least six foot of sleeping space with plenty of room for stowing the stuff needed for a long weekend voyage, in which you don't plan to touch shore, in a boat under 12ft?

[Chris Waite]

Greg asked:

How do you accommodate a reasonable sail area and at least six foot of sleeping space with plenty of room for stowing the stuff needed for a long weekend voyage, in which you don't plan to touch shore, in a boat under 12ft?
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Well I do it like this:



CW

[Port-Na-Storm]

I think the Scamp meets a particular set of requirements in its own particular way, I believe the snub nose was a way to fit it into a small build space.  
I think John Welsford must have based it on his original concept  Tread Lightly
which he shortened even further.
I notice Gavin is one of those getting the blame.
Personally I think the design would be enhanced no end by giving it another foot and losing that pram bow.
Still they seem to have a big following around the world, like the Morris Minor and the original VW Beetle.

[Paul H (admin)]

Jeremy wrote

Very nice job, Paul.  It's amazing how just cutting down the cabin has improved the look of the whole boat so much.

Having started off 35 odd years ago being convinced that any boat that didn't have standing headroom in the cabin was not for me, and spending an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to squeeze extra headroom out of an old 20ft boat I restored, I eventually realised that in a small boat you only need enough space to crawl in and out of a bunk reasonably comfortably, and sit up without braining yourself, plus room in the cockpit to do all the standing up type things.

This change of heart came about when I realised that every time I went sailing in a friends International Folkboat I opted for the quarter berth.  There's something particularly snug about sleeping at sea in a small wooden tunnel..............

Thank you for the kind words Jeremy.

Like you I really liked a large cabin when I built her. But the inside feels quite snug now and is still great for sleeping or cooking under cover, which is all you really, really need. All that excess windage is now a bag of offcuts for the communal evening fire when we camp at Cobnor!

I've bumped my head a few times on sharp corners, so I'll wizz round with a router to round them off but I'm getting used to the new cabin quickly.

A simple open ended boom tent is on the plan, just to keep the worst of any persistent rain off the cockpit/companionway. Apparently Cee dubs has found some really posh boom tent material......

-Paul

[gmatkin]

I should explain that I mentioned to John W that many people in the UK have garages in which to build boats, but that they are fairly small and few modern pocket cruiser designs were available that would fit a UK garage. The rest you know...

Gavin

[Chris Waite]

Now I'm really confused Gavin

I thought I was answering Greg? I agree about the garage-sized pocket-cruiser.  

The 'Premise 12', (he said grandly), is 11' 6" long and deliberately intended as a garageable, single-handed, camp-aboard, sail and oar, raid dinghy.  As explained elsewhere, I particularly built this one narrow to suit the bollards of Arundel, (a vital facility in a sailing boat) and this has the advantage of maximizing its rowing capabilities.  As also explained, it has the disadvantage of making her quite tender, moderated to a degree by the water ballast.

Assuming sail and oar, the real problem with anything this short, is to produce a cabin that you can row from; the Paradox being a prime example, where you are very well protected, but can only yuloh.  I'm sure your mind and that of many others has wrestled with this problem.  I'm also still of the, possibly misguided, opinion that I am young enough to leap like a mountain goat from side deck to side deck. However

He of the hour-glass and sickle, is giving me cause to consider alternatives - I had hoped that the boat would take a little more care of me than I of it and to this end, I wondered about the same hull but six inches, or even a foot wider.  The whole project is, as explained, based on a flat-bottomed, vertical-ended, er.... premise.  So if I rebuilt that same hull in slow time, to a broader beam; then extended the forward cuddy and added an aft cuddy opening forward into the cockpit with a large sliding, or canvas centre section providing a waist from which to work the oars, why shouldn't that be the biz?

Then it further occurred to me that if I shortened it down to nine foot ten inches, then that would be going in the same direction as the 'Round-in-Ten' gang; what is more, such a premise would be a smidge less than three metres long.  Here's a different idea spotted by my French chum 'Eric17', who shows up occasionally on this site and compares his weird ideas with mine, as a backdrop to our sailing obsessions:

 

And under three metres means a year ticket in Chichester Harbour

For less than a fiver; MOM

Mean Old Man
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How's this for a bow wave?

[Paul H (admin)]

Chris,

Eric's design looks similar to Paul Fisher's Micro 10:



http://www.selway-fisher.com/PCup16.htm#CRO

[eric17]

No-no, Paul, It's not my project, I just had it in my archives, and I shared it with Chris.
The project comes from "Clodgo", and can be found in "http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/500/page/1/ppuser/24384", or https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.480327432011664.112715.192556664122077&type=3  (wonder if this address will work ..)..

and no-no, Chris, I won't hijack this thread with my project

[Randonneur]

adminHBBR wrote

Chris,

Eric's design looks similar to Paul Fisher's Micro 10:

No. Please don't compare it to that hideous design.

The Micro 10 is a stretched version of the navigation buoy, the Micro 8.

It would look OK painted green or red with a flashing light on top and moored up at the side of a shipping channel.

Hideous is being kind..

http://www.leplancherdesvaches.be/constr-micro8-b.php

Pete

[eric17]

and yet the owner (Gilles, le Rêveur) of this boat is a very nice guy, in tuch with Yrvind and other dreamers...
If you want a buoy, she is for sale : http://www.nauticaltrek.com/12783-a-vendre-kaga-micro-yacht-oceanique-8 

[Randonneur]

GregHBBR wrote

How do you accommodate a reasonable sail area and at least six foot of sleeping space with plenty of room for stowing the stuff needed for a long weekend voyage, in which you don't plan to touch shore, in a boat under 12ft?

Well Mr Layden would do it with either his 9 foot 'Elusion'



or at 11'10" his 'Enigma'



Both their maiden voyages were the Ultimate Florida challenge, 1200 mile circumnavigation of Florida taking in ocean, shallows, swamps, rivers and a 45 mile portage!
So a little more than a long weekend voyage.

Enigma has just crossed back this week to Florida, after a 6 week cruise in the Bahamas.
I know where I'd rather be !

[Chris Waite]

Eric is absolutely right Paulie

My apologies, I had not intended to hijack 'Millibee's Haircut' with a discussion on microcruisers....

It was just an interesting question that Greg/Gavin had posed and which is now coming back round to your 'Illusion'

Anyone for a new thread?

CW

[eric17]

you know it's one of my favourite subjects, Chris, but once is enough !!

[Port-Na-Storm]

<quote author="Chris Waite" Anyone for a new thread? </quote>

I'm always open to a candid conversation of a nautical type, especially when it comes to pulling quarts from pint pots.