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[Chris Partridge]

Remind me why sailors are so against dagger boards?

[Paul H (admin)]

Chris Partridge wrote

Remind me why sailors are so against dagger boards?

Chris, for the lifetime of the boat less swearing is involved.

However,  nothing beats the pride of an oarsman towing a sailing boat stuck on a sandbank.

Paul

[Port-Na-Storm]

Oh yeah, here we go again, you just can't let it lie can you?

Actually if my boat had a dagger board instead of a Centre Board I could have lifted it and got out of trouble un-aided.

But how could I forget how Chris came to my rescue, when people keep reminding me. 😎

Centre Boards are the true way, just don't go reversing into the mud.

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Chris Partridge wrote

Remind me why sailors are so against dagger boards?

Chris, for the lifetime of the boat less swearing is involved.

However,  nothing beats the pride of an oarsman towing a sailing boat stuck on a sandbank.

Paul

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[Timmo]

It only takes one time trying to gybe with a daggerboard up to put you off them for life. Boom stops dead when it hits the daggerboard and mayhem ensues. 

My mistake. But I blame the daggerboard!

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Remind me why sailors are so against dagger boards?

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[Chris Waite]

There is the odd reason for sailors being against daggerboards, Chris -

1.  If you hit anything hard with a dagger board, then the boat lurches forward to a stop.
2.  If you hit anything soft, then it sludges forward to a stop.
3.  If you want to raise one, then you need to pull vertically from a sitting position, at arms length.
4.  If you want it only partially lowered, then you have to find some device to hold it at whatever level.
5.  If you want it fully extended, then that device has to overcome flotation as well.
6.  If you raise it more than a little, on many small dinghies, then it catches on the kicker and/or boom.
7.  If you remove it to avoid that, then you have a large sopping wet plank in a small cockpit with you.
8.  If you remove it and the boat is going any speed, then seawater slops over the top of the case.
9.  If you hit anything often enough, then it will eventually mess up the board and often the case as well, which is why they are prone to leak.

Otherwise, they're ruddy marvellous

Well Sir, you did ask

CW

[Paul H (admin)]

9.1 Hence many Mirror dinghies leak around the centreboard case.

10 Centreboards give you warning of shallow water. Tack immediately.

11 Centerboards help you balance the hull and sails in real time.

12 Leeboards are more practical, from Illusion to Thames barges.

[Alan]

I like the kind of sailing where you sail towards one bank until the centreboard touches, then tack and doitall over again.
My Marauder had two angle plates each containing half a pivot bolt - slide centreboard and plates assembly into the slot and screw through plates into the keel. No leaks.
With a deep enough keel (say 2" on a small boat) you can have an external bolt. No leaks, no visibility problems.

[inwe]

An afternoons work putting the leathers on all the spars. A very satisfying task.



Yes there is one mast missing 'cos that's on the boat but that one has a leather collar as well.


Richard

[inwe]

Well went to take the boat off the trestles, I thought get it on the ground and I could put the formast in in order to get a good idea for the rigging ! Instead of taking my time and lowering it with the cargo straps and gantries as I do with Calluna. I decided to lower it bit by bit with a jack and chocks of wood !!!!
Why don't I listen to myself - I don't know. She slipped off and the boat landed on me putting the jack through the bottom planks. So I ended up getting the gantry to the boat and pulling her off with the cargo strops. S--t. So now its up and I have to put a patch in the hole. Good job I wasn't in a rush.

Richard

[Timmo]

Hope you’re OK. She landed on you!

Suspect that language was riper than just s—-! Sounds like you’re already moving on from the down to the ‘right, let’s sort it out’ phase.

Admire your resilience.

Tim our

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On 28 Aug 2020, at 17:13, inwe [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well went to take the boat off the trestles, I thought get it on the ground and I could put the formast in in order to get a good idea for the rigging ! Instead of taking my time and lowering it with the cargo straps and gantries as I do with Calluna. I decided to lower it bit by bit with a jack and chocks of wood !!!!
Why don't I listen to myself - I don't know. She slipped off and the boat landed on me putting the jack through the bottom planks. So I ended up getting the gantry to the boat and pulling her off with the cargo strops. S--t. So now its up and I have to put a patch in the hole. Good job I wasn't in a rush.

Richard

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[inwe]

You're right about the language Tim, and no I had to duck, it's too heavy for me to lift and support. A glancing blow. I've already cut out the shattered ply that's the easy part , the cut had to go across the lands, its going to be a job but hey time is something I think I have enough of. As regards state of mind, 72 and you grow a certain amount of patience with objects - but not necessarily with people!!
With regard to the overheads, I can't copy yours as the masts get in the way so still searching for flexible stays.

Richard

[Port-Na-Storm]

As the person who dropped his 16ft canoe six feet onto a concrete floor, I can fully sympathise. I hope you and your pride aren't too bruised.

Katie B has been bouncing around Chichester Harbour for the last few days and is showing signs of previous neglect.

Full report to follow.

There was quite a lot of wet grass sailing at Cobnor this year, if you catch my drift.

Stay safe.

Graham

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Hope you’re OK. She landed on you!

Suspect that language was riper than just s—-! Sounds like you’re already moving on from the down to the ‘right, let’s sort it out’ phase.

Admire your resilience.

Tim our

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On 28 Aug 2020, at 17:13, inwe [via UK HBBR Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Well went to take the boat off the trestles, I thought get it on the ground and I could put the formast in in order to get a good idea for the rigging ! Instead of taking my time and lowering it with the cargo straps and gantries as I do with Calluna. I decided to lower it bit by bit with a jack and chocks of wood !!!!
Why don't I listen to myself - I don't know. She slipped off and the boat landed on me putting the jack through the bottom planks. So I ended up getting the gantry to the boat and pulling her off with the cargo strops. S--t. So now its up and I have to put a patch in the hole. Good job I wasn't in a rush.

Richard

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[inwe]

This is the hole after cutting and trimming. The next job was to cut a piece of ply to fit one part, in this case the larger part. This done it was glued into place. Tomorrow, maybe I'll trim up the glue and fit the second smaller piece in place. After thoroughly gluing and trimming I'll cover the patches on the inside with another layer of ply, sand down, fill, sand, fair and paint.






Richard

[inwe]

Nearly finished. The outside of the patch has been filled, faired and received one coat of paint. The inside of the hull just needs sanding and then painting.






Richard

[Timmo]

Very tidy.

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Nearly finished. The outside of the patch has been filled, faired and received one coat of paint. The inside of the hull just needs sanding and then painting.






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[inwe]

Patch is complete - inside and out - and painted. Doesn't look too bad. When I lower her next time it will be by the merlo and straps. I should be getting the trailer soon but there is a shortage of bits. I think the delay is China !

Richard

[Port-Na-Storm]

Excellent Work .
If you have run out of holes I could send you some.

The Chinese will be fitting the tracker chips to your trailer bits.

[inwe]

Well at last got the trailer. When I added boat to trailer I decided not to drop it !!!! My shoulder and right arm still have not recovered from the last time, I think I damaged a nerve. Anyway this time the lift went very well and the boat went on like a dream. Just a little too high and so the rollers are going to have to be lowered. I thought I had a socket set at the barn, I did , but the sockets weren't long enough so another trip with another set, to lower the supports. Just the right size trailer. I took the opportunity to wheel it outside so that I could pop the foremast up. Just to see! Not too bad, would be better without the dust! I'll set the trailer up tomorrow so it supports the boat better.



Richard

[Chris Waite]

That has to be your best creation yet, Richard

Small, but beautifully marked

Chris

[Port-Na-Storm]

Looking great there Richard.

It's all coming along nicely.

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